Protecting cyclists with a barrier in not a new idea:-
This picture shows a continuous barrier which is designed to protect cyclists and pedestrians, and why not?
Photograph taken in Carnot-Plage, southern France. in 1998.
Sunday, 5 January 2014
Saturday, 14 December 2013
What or who should a barrier protect?
Some barriers a fussy as to they think they should protect. The mode of thinking is aimed solely at protecting motorists, and to Hell with pedestrians (the most vulnerable in our society).
One can see that the barrier below might prevent a vehicle from going down a bank, but its very presence increases danger for pedestrians, and it need not have done.
Pedestrians would a barrier such as this to be really intimidating.
The barrier on the right here (handrailing) is designed to protect pedestrians at a roundabout. BUT, it is not necessarily popular with cyclists, on or off the road. Handrailing prevents cyclists from accessing the kerb, and it can snag handlebars.
It is not clear, at this location, whether or not cyclists should stick to the road or carry on, on the pavement using it as assumed "Shared use"; it is signed as a route into the town centre. Ideally what is needed is a separate bridge over the River Stour for cyclists.
They just don't think!
Wednesday, 11 December 2013
Barrier to make cyclists feel safe
This photo was taken in Germany where they go out of their way to make cyclists feel safe. Where, despite there being a lot more cyclists, there are a lot less casualties..
Note that the barriers are on both sides of this road.
Monday, 9 December 2013
Ema;l exchanges with Kent Highways etc.
I have just re-examined this email from June which had buried and got lost
in my in tray.
Obviously some people are able to 'mitigate' a lot more than others. Then
there are those who are able to assess the risks more readily than others,
and act accordingly. It should not be the case to make a situation worse
than it already is, especially as by doing so it would adversely affects the
most vulnerable in our society. If, by a simple application, the risk can
be reduced to both motor-vehicles and pedestrians (and cyclists) at no extra
cost, then why not do it? People should come first wherever possible, not
motor-vehicles.
It is quite obvious to see (on the ground, and from photographs) that some
people (whilst not 100% perfect) can do it, so why not Kent Highwaysor /our
Highways Agency?
Ted Prangnell. Dec 2013.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jim.Wedgbury@kent.gov.uk>
To: <tedeprangnell@btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Dangerous Barriers
Ted
You can only ever mitigate risk never eliminate it
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Jun 2013, at 16:51, "Ted Prangnell" <tedeprangnell@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> But there is no need for an added risk to pedestrians to be created if the
> barriers were designed properly. Are they saying that an additional risk
> to pedestrians is acceptable (when it could be avoided)?
>
> [cid:C956ADA8EB2044A198738343A781677A@TedPC]
> On our A251.
> [cid:B9F3FA1A57A343C4AEB22D57AAD9EB2A@TedPC]
> On the Continent.
>
> There are other correct examples, but I haven't got photos of them to
> hand.
>
> Properly designed barriers would protect both motor-vehicles and
> pedestrians, at no extra cost. People should come first!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: 'Ted Prangnell'<mailto:tedeprangnell@btinternet.com> ; Alan
> Moultrie<mailto:alan@moultrie.co.uk> ; Brian
JIM WEDGBURY<mailto:jim.wedgbury@kent.gov.uk>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:52 AM
Subject: FW: Dangerous Barriers
From our County Councillor
xxxx
From: Jim.Wedgbury@kent.gov.uk<mailto:Jim.Wedgbury@kent.gov.uk>
[mailto:Jim.Wedgbury@kent.gov.uk]
Sent: 24 June 2013 11:26
Obviously some people are able to 'mitigate' a lot more than others. Then
there are those who are able to assess the risks more readily than others,
and act accordingly. It should not be the case to make a situation worse
than it already is, especially as by doing so it would adversely affects the
most vulnerable in our society. If, by a simple application, the risk can
be reduced to both motor-vehicles and pedestrians (and cyclists) at no extra
cost, then why not do it? People should come first wherever possible, not
motor-vehicles.
It is quite obvious to see (on the ground, and from photographs) that some
people (whilst not 100% perfect) can do it, so why not Kent Highwaysor /our
Highways Agency?
Ted Prangnell. Dec 2013.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jim.Wedgbury@kent.gov.uk>
To: <tedeprangnell@btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Dangerous Barriers
Ted
You can only ever mitigate risk never eliminate it
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Jun 2013, at 16:51, "Ted Prangnell" <tedeprangnell@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> But there is no need for an added risk to pedestrians to be created if the
> barriers were designed properly. Are they saying that an additional risk
> to pedestrians is acceptable (when it could be avoided)?
>
> [cid:C956ADA8EB2044A198738343A781677A@TedPC]
> On our A251.
> [cid:B9F3FA1A57A343C4AEB22D57AAD9EB2A@TedPC]
> On the Continent.
>
> There are other correct examples, but I haven't got photos of them to
> hand.
>
> Properly designed barriers would protect both motor-vehicles and
> pedestrians, at no extra cost. People should come first!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: 'Ted Prangnell'<mailto:tedeprangnell@btinternet.com> ; Alan
> Moultrie<mailto:alan@moultrie.co.uk> ; Brian
JIM WEDGBURY<mailto:jim.wedgbury@kent.gov.uk>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:52 AM
Subject: FW: Dangerous Barriers
From our County Councillor
xxxx
From: Jim.Wedgbury@kent.gov.uk<mailto:Jim.Wedgbury@kent.gov.uk>
[mailto:Jim.Wedgbury@kent.gov.uk]
Sent: 24 June 2013 11:26
Subject: Dangerous Barriers
Dear XXXXy
I have had this investigated it is more complicated than it first seems
Kent highways carried out a safety audit on various sites throughout the
county and discovered an anomaly in Canterbury road.
Due to a number of high profile incidents and the need to protect
motorists from 1 hitting the Bridge parapet direct and killing themselves
and as well as a need to stop vehicles careering onto the motorway
following an accident combined with the accident record at this site . all
these meant an urgent need to put barriers in on this site. The slight
increase in risk to pedestrians is I am advised is far out weighed by
reduced risks in the other areas .
I hope we can promulgate this explanation.
Safety barriers over the M2 Faversham. tn.jpg>
Safety barriers D tn.jpg
Nor does this explain the situation in Simone Weil
Avenue, which is blatantly wrong.
Thursday, 1 August 2013
Examples of: How crash barriers should protect cyclists and pedestrians.
Over the River Weser in Minden, Germany.
A pedestrians at a bus-stop protected by a barrier, near Minden.
A stretch of pavement protected by a barrier positioned at the road edge.
Here again the safety barrier protects pedestrians and cyclists [near Petershagen, Germany]; if they can treat their people with more respect then why can't we?
There were so many examples.
Shared space, with cyclists and pedestrians, well protected.
There were so many good examples, that one doesn't have to look for them, whilst here (in Kent) one really has to look for them.
The daft part about it is that, in the above examples, both motor-vehicles, and pedestrians are protected, not juts vehicles, as they mostly are in the UK.
Will our Highways engineers ever learn?
Friday, 12 July 2013
Who cares about pedestrians?
Here, in Germany, cycle-ways on both sides of this road, are protected by safety barriers.
Church Road, Sevington.
This is the most absurd situation imaginable; a bridge of which one half is built to a different specification to the other; not only are pedestrians supposed to walk into a brick wall, but if they continue on ahead, in the road hemmed in by a high brick wall, then they become extremely vulnerable. Who cares about the plight of pedestrians (and cyclists)? They obviously don't.
Church Road, Sevington.
This is the most absurd situation imaginable; a bridge of which one half is built to a different specification to the other; not only are pedestrians supposed to walk into a brick wall, but if they continue on ahead, in the road hemmed in by a high brick wall, then they become extremely vulnerable. Who cares about the plight of pedestrians (and cyclists)? They obviously don't.
Sunday, 7 July 2013
Interests of pedestrians, and cyclists are often ignored.
Sometimes they get it right!
A barrier should protect pedestrians as a first priority.
Even though, as in this case (A251 approaching a bridge over the M2), it is not a well used route, and the hedge needs cutting back.
It would appear that with highway design , Their minds are so fixated with catering for motor vehicles, that the interests of pedestrians and cyclists, are often ignored.
This is a street (Silver Hill) which is a one-way street, running into a mini-roundabout . In their wisdom, Highways incorporated a road-narrowing (Pinch-Point) at the mouth of the roundabout Kent Highways refused to accept any criticism of their design in this case, but it is clearly not the least bit cycle-friendly, yet it could easily be made so. This feature remains as it is today.
Charing Hill.
Traffic frequently travels rather fast down Charing Hill (A252). The crash-barrier is intended to prevent motor-vehicles, that might just happen to loose control and mount the pavement, from going down an embankment; BUT woe-betide any pedestrian who might happen to be on the pavement at that spot, at that moment in time.
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